3 Reasons Why Christians Should Be Evidential Investigators Instead of Experience Junkies

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Two men.

Both grew up in Christian homes in suburban America. Both have famous Evangelical fathers. Both made personal decisions for Christ and became actively involved and well-known in ministry. One walked away from his faith and became a secular humanist. The other has become one of the top apologists and defenders of the Christian faith.

Who are these two men? The first is Bart Campolo, son of evangelist and author Tony Campolo, and the other is Sean McDowell, son of evangelist and author Josh McDowell.  Why did their fairly similar paths lead them to such radically different destinations?

Recently, the two came together to have a discussion on Premier Christian Radio entitled, "Why Bart Lost His Faith, Why Sean Kept His." It was a fascinating discussion, and the thing that most struck me was the reason they each gave for having become a Christian in the first place. Campolo described how he converted to Christianity after finding a youth group he connected with and attending one of their retreats:

There’s hundreds of kids there. It’s Saturday night, there’s candlelight and firelight and everybody’s singing “Our God is an Awesome God,” and “We Love You Lord.” And in the midst of that kind of environment I had what I guess you would call a transcendent moment…I felt something. It felt like there was something happening  in that room that was bigger than the group. I felt like I was connecting to something. And in that moment ….that was God. 

I heard something. It was real to me. People that don’t believe in transcendent experiences—I always think like, "You haven’t been to the right concert… You haven’t used the right drugs. You haven’t fallen in love with the right partner."

These experiences are real, and I think whatever narrative you’re in when you have one, it confirms that narrative. If I would have had that same transcendent moment with my friends in a mosque in Afghanistan, it would have confirmed Islam to me. But I was in the Christian world, so from that point on, Jesus was real to me. 

In Campolo's own words, he became a  Christian because of a transcendent experience….a feeling that resonated deeply in his heart.

Later in the conversation, McDowell gave his reason for becoming a Christian. Having believed in Christianity as far back as he can remember, he experienced some serious doubts about his faith when he was a college student. When he shared his doubts with his father, his dad encouraged him to not believe something simply because it's what he was told. He urged him to investigate the evidence for the truthfulness of Christianity for himself, and to reject anything that was untrue.

​After doing some significant evidence investigation, McDowell arrived at the conclusion that Christianity is true….and this is the reason he is a Christian. His faith was not built upon a “transcendent moment,” but on a painful search for objective reality.  

Campolo's Christianity was confirmed by experience, while McDowell's was confirmed by evidence. Here are 3 reasons why Christians should be evidential investigators, instead of experience junkies:

1. You can be talked out of an experience.

Like Campolo, actor Brad Pitt was raised in a Christian home by Evangelical Christian ministers. In an interview with GQ magazine, he remembered experiencing some of the same feelings at rock concerts that he felt in Christian worship services:

I remember going to a few concerts, even though we were told rock shows are the Devil, basically. Our parents let us go, they weren't neo about it. But I realized that the reverie and the joy and exuberance, even the aggression, I was feeling at the rock show was the same thing at the revival. One is Jimmy Swaggart and one is Jerry Lee Lewis, you know? One's God and one's Devil. But it's the same thing. It felt like we were being manipulated. What was clear to me was “You don't know what you're talking about—”

Pitt wondered if the whole thing was a manipulative sham, which led him to ask some serious questions at a very young age.

If a feeling or experience is what a person's faith is built upon, it can be easy to re-interpret that experience or explain it away—especially when confronted with the arguments of a smart skeptic, or the crushing reality of suffering and evil.

2. Your heart and feelings lie.

The prophet Jeremiah described the human heart as "deceitful above all things and desperately sick." Proverbs 3:5-7 tells us not to "lean on our own understanding." Jesus described the human heart as being filled with thoughts like murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander. Proverbs 28:26 tells us that whoever trusts his own mind is a fool.

In other words, do not, under any circumstances, follow your heart.

This, of course, stands in stark contrast to the themes we are constantly encountering in entertainment and on social media. However, when it comes to spiritual beliefs, trusting our hearts and following our feelings can lead to all sorts of aberrant theology, sinful choices, and a distortion of true Christian faith.

3. You can fall back on evidence in times of doubt or suffering.

One of the greatest apologists and evangelists in recent times is a man named Nabeel Qureshi. Qureshi grew up in a Muslim home, and after years of testing the claims of Christianity and the claims of Islam, he left Islam and became a Christian. He paid a dear price for his obedience to Christ, leaving his devout Muslim family heartbroken and relationships strained.

​At the peak of a respected, growing, and fruitful ministry, Qureshi received news that he had stage 4 stomach cancer….at the age of 33, and with a new baby in tow. He believed God was going to heal him—that there would be miraculous intervention and an amazing testimony to tell about the healing power of God. A little over a year after receiving his diagnosis……he died.

Qureshi documented his cancer journey on youtube, and in one of the early videos, he expressed being a bit rattled by this grim news. However, he went back through his theology and the evidence for his belief in Christ. On his deathbed, looking worn and like a shadow of his former self, he glorified God by doing the exact same thing. He expressed his wonder and disappointment that he hadn't been healed, but he testified to the existence of God and the truthfulness of Christianity based on what he knew was true.

Qureshi was faithful to the end—despite his suffering and despite any doubts that crept into his mind in his last days. This was because he had a firm understanding of truth to which he submitted his feelings. His faith was not dismantled by doubt, suffering, or even excruciating pain.

At the end of the day, Christianity isn't always going to feel good. Just ask the apostle Paul who was kidnapped, beaten, whipped, imprisoned, ridiculed, shipwrecked, and stoned—all before he was finally beheaded. Christianity isn't always going to feel like it's "working."

Becoming an evidential investigator rather than an experience junkie led former atheist J. Warner Wallace to an unshakeable conclusion:

I’m not a Christian because it “works” for me. I had a life prior to Christianity that seemed to be working just fine, and my life as a Christian hasn’t always been easy.

I’m a Christian because it is true. I’m a Christian because I want to live in a way that reflects the truth. I’m a Christian because my high regard for the truth leaves me no alternative.

In times of deep doubt or great suffering, it's wonderful to know that Christianity is true— whether we feel it or not! 

Darryl

4/10/2018 01:24:52 pm

I believe this is the best thing you have published. Thank you!

Alisa Childers

4/10/2018 03:53:25 pm

Thanks so much, Darryl.

Anthony Barber

4/10/2018 03:46:02 pm

Beautiful Alisa! Indeed the only thing that can withstand the earthquakes of life is a strong foundation, and feelings cannot provide that!

Brett

4/10/2018 05:47:01 pm

Thank you so much for this article, it was a good perspective to read and I appreciate your angle on evidence vs. feelings. One question that comes to mind is in regard to the fact that our heart and reasoning is wicked. Do you think that because of those biblical statements that they undermine our justification for believing in Christ via evidence because our reasoning is broken?

Alisa Childers

4/10/2018 07:38:43 pm

Hi Brett, thanks for your comment and question. The question you are asking would be answered differently depending on which philosophical system one uses to approach apologetics.

Presuppositionalism, as I understand it, would argue that our darkened hearts are not even capable of reasoning correctly, therefore, only faith is the basis for rational thought. The classical/evidential school of thought would argue that although our hearts are wicked, we are still capable of logic/reason. We are estranged from God, but not from reality. (Even non-Christians can use logic, utilize grammar, read etc…)

I would fall in the classical/evidential camp.

Alisa Childers

4/10/2018 07:43:17 pm

I should also add that it's difficult to fit everything I'd like to say into a blog post which is, typically, under 1500 words. I don't want to discount experience altogether—I'm can get quite emotional when I sing, and have wonderful experiences with God in prayer, worship, and study. However, subjective experience, in my opinion, should enhance our faith, not ground it.

Brett

4/10/2018 08:33:12 pm

Ah I gotcha, I’m definitely in the same camp. Thanks for clarifying! Yeah, you make a good point. What are your thoughts on coming to belief in Christ via an experience but then strengthening our faith via evidence? WOuld you put that in a separate category?

Alisa Childers

4/11/2018 08:56:30 am

Well I guess it would depend on what one means by the word "experience." Hearing and responding to the gospel is an "experience." (Even investigating evidence is technically an "experience.") But what I mean by the word in this post is in reference some kind of warm feeling or euphoric emotion.

Anyone who responds to the gospel is legitimately converted, despite how much evidence they needed to get there. But considering the fact that Christianity stands or falls based on a historical event being true in reality (the resurrection —1 Corinthians 15:14), I believe Christians need to be evidentialists….especially in our hyper-skeptical society.

Matthew

4/10/2018 10:17:56 pm

Great article, as always! I really enjoy your writing style and find it so easy to follow.

This is wonderful! Thank you for writing it! So needed in this day and age! I love all that you say and only wish you could post a whole lot more often! 😀

Terre Owens

4/11/2018 05:52:13 am

Thankyou Alisa! Great blog, and a timely word.

Jim Daneker

4/11/2018 10:45:51 am

Brilliant as usual, Alisa. Love the wrap-up about Christianity not always feeling like it’s “working” – excellent.

two people, grew up in a perfect garden, with the perfect father, perfect circumstances, felt the presence, and majesty of the King of Kings himself ,but thru( free will )chose to do what ( they) wanted to do, with the help and nudging of the tempter !!!! they knew God existed, knew of His power and might and love ,etc.,but God would not ( because of free will ) make them obey!!!!! This article reminds me of madeliine murray O'Hare , (famous atheist )whose son became a preacher of the gospel !!!! It also reminds me of Ray Boltz ( well known Christian singer) had a wife and children, and comes out as homosexual and leaves them !!!!! again ( free will) we can keep resisting temptations or just give up the (good fight) it's our choice !!!! I was truly bothered by Ray Boltz decision and could not figure it out until I asked a mature Christian brother about this , and he simply said 2 degrees, and I said ( whats 2 degrees?) he replied if you set sail for your destination and you are 2 degrees off course, you wind up somewhere you don"t want to be (like Bart Campolo) if heaven is where we want to be , we have to stay on course !!!! Let us remember, God ( the perfect Father ) had trouble with HIS children too !!!! but He kept on loving them, reaching out to them, caring about them !!! I am so glad He used people to reach out to me, I was way off course!!! Let's pray for the prodigal's ( like Bart Campolo,and others)to get back on track !!! Oh , Alisa , I totally agree with you on balancing experiences with evidences and truth !!!!! May God richly bless you sister, I look forward to hearing you sing, at church !!!!

Brad

5/3/2018 08:26:18 am

Very well said. Thank you.

Brad

5/3/2018 08:23:44 am

Amen.

Gary

12/3/2018 11:49:12 pm

Very interesting, thought-provoking post.

I'm curious, though. Did Jesus ever say that people should believe in him based on a study of the evidence? If so, could someone cite the passage for me?

Diana

1/14/2019 03:30:42 pm

In reply to Gary asking if Jesus ever said to believe in Him based on a study of the evidence, I would suggest John 10:37-38. I think the evidence during Jesus' time would have been the testifying signs and wonders (miracles/works). We are fortunate to be able to avail ourselves in this day and age of the work provided by great scholars before us and even today, people like Alissa. I don't believe they had that so much in Jesus day. I think that is why Jesus said if you don't believe me, then believe the works that I do. I do believe later on the apostles and writers of the New Testament, starting with Pentecost, then provided the evidence, much of the same evidence we look at today. I am certainly no apologist, but I don't really recall anywhere in the New Testament, or even the Old, where we are asked to believe God based on a "feeling", maybe an experience where He chose to reveal Himself so that one might believe. I think there are plenty of those. God proved Himself to be who He said He was by things He performed to reveal Himself to His people. Just my thoughts from an uneducated Jesus follower who has the desire to be able to defend the faith with gentleness and respect. (I was blessed to attend the Women In Apologetics Conference this past weekend at which Alissa lead worship and spoke.)

I´m intrigued to discover your approach in general. Alisa, much like I was happy to discover Ravi Z some time ago on videos. In terms of your post specifically, experience versus evidential investigation, it makes absolute sense to me. I suppose it´s not actually a mutually exclusive pair of dynamics, and is in fact something of a false dichotomy. Rather, it is a continuum of attitudinal issues in question.

You pointed out above the question of semantics, context, and meaning. In my case, I was raised by an ex-Catholic atheist/secular humanist who promoted education above all. I went through a casual, but committed interfaith spiritual search that began accumulating wisdom through Unitarian Universalism, Taoism, Zen Buddhism, diverse holistics, the 12 step group Recovery Movement, until I landed on Christian Science.

I wrestled with some issues in college before getting settled in Biological Anthropology that confirmed my own interest in Empirical Science, that underlies my spiritual life. I have been interested to identify Psychosomatic Medicine, and University-based culture itself as the fruit of the Historical Sociology of Judeo-Christianity. That and Social Justice social movements.

So, my sense of being loved, long nurtured in terms of a sequence of growing understanding from the Tao to a Higher Power, and CS´s notion of God as Divine Mind, Life, Love, and Principle through the Christ, came together as I looked at the historical origins and descent of "Western" culture, i.e. Western Christian culture.

I´m looking at a few themes in this intellectual context, and starting to write about it. Understanding Christian integrity is one issue, its interplay with hypocrisy another, and how all that illustrates modernization and Jesus´ legacy another. I would love to have been able to have given that Muslim guy some suggestions to follow Jesus´ teachings even more such as "Seek first the Kingdom of God" and "Clean the cup within." I have been blessed to understand the inclusive nature of God´s love as taught by Jesus in a modernized context.

The evidence is everywhere, but it is indeed the interpretation, the informed interpretation, that is necessary to bring that to light. Creating the culture that can spread that awareness and pedagogy still another important factor. As it stands, corporate executives and materialists are running rampant, and the Religious Right is propped up by the former and resistant to necessary insight.

It is as if Jesus never said, "Not everyone who says 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who do my Heavenly Father´s will, will enter." Jesus didn´t come to create a new rule book limited to what he hadn´t written in the first place. We are blessed with the NT, not chained to its time, place, and first stage launching pad details. Sustainability is one of our main contexts, along with Psychosomatic Medicine and University-based culture. All Jesus´ legacy. Jesus, my and many of our Savior, needs to be seen in all that his legacy means to overcome what are essentially mental blocks and illusory aspects.

I think those are the further reaches of the impacts of evidentiary investigation. If I´m able to connect with you on that level, that would be great. If not, then I look forward to any other challenges it represents.

Well done! Reminds me of this quote: “A faith that fizzles before the finish was flawed from the start.”
Discovered you through your Rachel Hollis post. So glad I found you. Keep up the good work!

Diane

2/9/2020 04:34:52 pm

Alisa,

I have know people who regularly hear teaching from scripture in church, investigate, read the Bible, discuss it for hours, say they would like it to be true and yet feel that they need more confidence or evidence that it is all true before they commit their lives to Christ. It seems like they will never have enough evidence to satisfy them and in the end it is about that faith that God asks of us in Hebrews chapter 11.

You are emphasizing the importance of reason in our faith which is valuable. You probably did not have space and it was not the limited scope of the article to expound on the related truth that reasonableness can only take us so far in our relationship with God as long as we are on this side of eternity, "seeing through a glass dimly"

I really appreciate the work you do. Please keep it up. I appreciate your demeanor. I pray for you. It is easy to get puffed up with knowledge but you bring across a sense of humility and respect for others while being firm in how you communicate your differing opinions, so important.

Alan Halsey

9/4/2020 12:46:02 pm

I ran across this on your website and it answers a question I didn’t know I was looking for. I have been drawn to people like you, Frank Turek, J Warner Wallace and other apologists because of the very thing that you bring out here and I suspect that has so informed your ministry. To me it is the harmony between the experiential and intellectual that is difficult to explain to someone who lacks one or the other or both. Bu themselves, one is tenuous, the other is lifeless. Together they are literally out of this world. There is a certain beauty to that.

Robert

10/25/2020 03:11:57 pm

As a believer in Christ since a child, I am slowly beginning to resonate more and more with Sean. Recently the last couple of years I have began to wonder and continue to ask myself, “why do I continue to believe what I believe? I cant believe it just because my parent and grandparents did? There has to be another reason why I do.” I’m really bad at research and have no idea where to start, what questions to ask and where to find those answers. Not to just confirm my bias of proving Christianity to be true. Where do I start? How do I progress forward?

Keren Cummins

1/8/2022 08:11:07 pm

This is in response to Robert who is looking for deeper answers than “because my parents believed.” One good resource for you might be Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis – another person who beautifully combined experiential and intellectual approaches to God. Loved this column!!

Daniel

1/7/2022 07:11:26 pm

Where does the conviction of the Holy Spirit fall into this? I never seen anyone really mention this. It seems like things get lumped in an either or category – either emotional experience or evidence. My conversion, when I was 29, never being raised in a Christian home, lived a bisexual drunken lifestyle, didn't know anything about the Bible (someone had to explain to me what "Matthew 13:12" meant because I had no clue about book, chapters and verses), was based of off the pastor preaching about sin and hell and then explained why Jesus died. Then a light bulb went off and I undersood the Cross and that moment and believed.

During the time when the Pastor was preaching about sin and hell I recall a literal fear coming over me like I've never experienced before. I was shaking and sweating in my seat and thought I was going to die right there. It felt like my heart was in someone's hands and could stop at any second. Everyone in the church seems relaxed and unbothered by what he was saying and I thought I was only hearing what he was actually saying. I was looking around for a place to hide including under my seat. Then when I understood why Christ died after his explanation I was so excited and full of hope. It was truly good news for me! I didn't know then but understand now that it was the conviction of the Holy Spirit to bring me to Christ and then helping me understand the Cross which brought about hope. That "experience" is something that carries me throughout my Christian walk regardless of what I've experienced good or bad including why I recently left a NAR church. Internally something was not right but couldn't pin point it but left anyway without letting anyone know because my soul was vexxed. Being new to church I had no clue about deception but am in a much better place now. I know why I believe what I believe not vecause of some concert type of experience but because I encountered the Living God.

My name is Mondo, years ago you and I knew each other while serving at the Dream Center with Pastor Matthew. I lived in Casa Grande with Vladimir and Aaron and others. I think you worked with Dave Hanley and the music studio they had there. Thank you for this article, in the beginning of my journey it was base on the experience I had but after the honey moon was over I began to study and realized why I believe the word of God to be the truth. Being 26 years in full time ministry, I have experienced some very tough moments but the years of studying the word and the research on Christianity is what has kept me serving faithfully. Thank you for your dedication and faithfulness to not compromising the word of God. I would like to have you in my show sometime to talk about your book and articles like this. Blessings.

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